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There. That’s out of the way. I recently installed Linux on my main desktop computer and work laptop, overwriting the Windows partition completely. Essentially, I deleted the primary operating system from the two computers I use the most, day in and day out, instead trusting all of my personal and work computing needs to the Open Source community. This has been a growing trend, and I hopped on the bandwagon, but for good reasons. Some of those reasons might pertain to you and convince you to finally make the jump as well. Here’s my experience.
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It’s no secret that Windows 11 harvests data like a pumpkin farmer in October, and there is no easy way (and sometimes no way at all) to stop it. The operating system itself acts exactly like what was called “spyware” a decade or so ago, pulling every piece of data it can about its current user. This data includes (but is far from limited to) hardware information, specific apps and software used, usage trends, and more. With the advent of AI, Microsoft made headlines with Copilot, an artificial assistant designed to help users by capturing their data with tools like Recall.
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After dealing with these issues and trying to solve them with workarounds, I dual-booted a Linux partition for a few weeks. After a Windows update (that I didn’t choose to do) wiped that partition and, consequently, the Linux installation, I decided to go whole-hog: I deleted Windows 11 and used the entire drive for Linux.
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One interesting about those articles is that each author will favor and recommend a different distro, so newbies won’t go all to the same place and clog a project’s resources, but will be more fairly distributed among many ones. Also, that way, there won’t be a big distro monopolizing things.
Maybe people will even learn that the fragmentation isn’t a weakness of linux, but one of its strengths
Maybe people will even learn that the fragmentation isn’t a weakness of linux, but one of its strengths
Maybe but its also super off putting to people looking on from the outside and wju do we need 500 flavours of Debian based distros when interested developers perhaps would be better tasked working om a few projects to inwprove things
It’s definitely annoying how we have all these wrappers of wrappers of debian, like Linux mint is wrapping packages from Ubuntu which is then wrapping packages from a certain snapshot of Debian. All of which creates a unique set of dependencies an apps running on that can cause bugs (Though sometime the distro is more like a installation wrapper for another distro which is better).
i’ve changed for linux mint cuz my computer simply can’t run windows 11
Mint, then LMDE for me but i did it sooner, rather then being forced to upgrade to W11 later. I was on W10 about 2.5 years ago now.
no, it can… but they won’t allow it because of all their dogshit background spyware crap. zero reason, other then microshits spyware. glad you made the best decision and dumped their stupid ass
Excuse me, it’s microslop. ;)
I can confirm that the ultra-low-maintenance variant can work as well: Years ago, a dear friend of mine needed a replacement for her antique Windows laptop, to write reports for her job training as a psychotherapist. She had two jobs, no money, a little daughter, and zero time to bother with computers.
I gave her a Thinkpad X220 with Debian on it. I got zero support requests from her. That was 2016, and she is still using it.
Oh my, I hope she knows how to
sedthe release name in/etc/apt, or else it’s very out of date by now…Wait is this how you get up to date when your system is past long term support? Had trouble updating once and couldn’t find an answer.
Didn’t properly backup my data and lost a couple years of work doing a fresh install (school work and personal projects). Would not recommend doing backups drunk. Would recommend backing up your data regularly.
Wait is this how you get up to date when your system is past long term support?
Pretty much! You just modify the apt sources, and upgrade incrementing by each stable release until you reach current stable. Each upgrade guide has a section that points you to the guide for the previous version if your version doesn’t match.
Would not recommend doing backups drunk.
:D in my experience, there’s a certain amount of drink-inspired overconfidence that can be helpful, but it’s very easy to go over. I need more testing to find the exact line - it might also wrap around again if you drink more. More investigation needed :)
Well, I was saying ultra-low maintenance, and most of the time, we both had much more important things to do (apart from navigating a pandemic). And she is also not the type of person who likes yearly breaking UI changes. But as you remind me, I’ll get her another dist upgrade and browser update, so that online banking continues to work for her. That’s what you have friends for :-)
I had to do some math when you said pandemic and THAT WAS 6 YEARS AGO?!
Is Linux any better for gamers these days? Not being able to use most of my software and games has always kept me back.
Single player works flawlessly 99% of the time. Competitive multiplayer shooters can be a bit iffy.
It seems to run most games. Kernel level anti cheat games are the exception.
I’m not even on a gaming distro. Using Linux Mint Debian Edition.
Most games will run just fine through Steam and Proton or Heroic Launcher.
I’m going to hop to something else (pikaOS) eventually, but most of my concerns with Linux seem to have been largely fixed.
How approachable is the switch for laymen? I used to be pretty big into PC building, running RedHat, etc. Then I got old and even navigating gmail makes me angry.
I tried recently. As a pure no command line user, I could do everything I wanted after some time understanding how to use lutris. As a gamer I went with nobara and it was great. Still back on windows to use my driving wheel, flightsticks and VR. For now at least as I hope with more people making the switch , drivers will work better.
It’s weird your flight sticks don’t work in Linux. I have used several (I play a lot of DCS) and they have worked out of the box for me.
If you can install windows from a USB, you can do the same with LMDE. Most of the usual things just worked.
The only thing I haven’t gotten working is control over the lights on my case. I could actually tinker and get it working but I figured it was an excuse to power down my computer at night and I don’t care that much about it.
I can’t remember all the little things I tweaked over the last few months but nothing stuck out as super difficult to me.
I don’t really even notice what OS I use anymore in my daily use: exactly what I want from it.
Depends on what you need from your computer. If it’s just web browsing and some light “office-like” tasks, it’s very easy, especially if you’ve interacted with a computer before. If you need some specialized hardware support or rely on some complicated proprietary app (looking at you Adobe), it can get complicated quickly.
In any case there will be some pain as you get accustomed to the new OS. But overall it’s not as bad as it used to be.
I use Photoshop for my side gig, but I stopped at the last version before their criminal subscription bullshit.
I’ll have to look into it.
See if you can get by with a combination of Krita and GIMP. The former especially has improved a lot lately and is now a fairly professional tool.
New-ish versions of Photoshop are very difficult to run in WINE (which allows you to run some Windows apps natively - it’s the thing that powers all recent linux gaming advances). The best you can do is run it in a VM with a window passthru, like so: https://github.com/winapps-org/winapps
I’ve tried Krita and GIMP, but my brain, man . . .
I’m using PS CS5, which was released in 2010. After a quick look, it looks like it runs in Wine!
I have a wife stuck in the Adobe-verse and yeah, going back that far should work great. It didn’t become a huge hassle until they started being insane with the licensing.
Heh, that is really quite old. There might be a chance.
Standard installations should work well for laymen. And in general, Linux user interfaces are a lot calmer, change less often, and are not attention-hogging and shock-full with dark patterns like Windows UIs.
Seeing my old parents struggling with Windows 11, I believe Linux is a lot friendlier also to elderly people, if they manage to get used to it while they can learn easily.
I sometimes forget it used to be bad. It just works with steam
Valve has put a lot of work into it, so unless you want to play hypercompetitive shooters (which ban Linux as a scapegoat for how hacker infested they are), most games will just work. Installing Steam should just set things up automagically for Steam games.
If there’s a game you’re actively curious about, you can look it up on https://www.protondb.com/ to see what other people say about how well it works.
Definitely not a shooter kinda guy. Thanks!
protondb is great! you can even link your steam library to get a quick and rough overview over how well it’ll work.
I just recently switched from Windows to Linux and for me the gaming experience has been fantastic. Games have been running way smoother. You do lose access to some games that require a kernel level anti cheat, but it’s been worth it for me. If you’re curious, you can check out the ProtonDB website to check if the games you play are Linux compatible.
I’ve been distro hopping recently after ditching Windows about a year ago. Spent some time in mint, then fedora, and recently the ‘gaming’ distros. I have to say cachy is very nice and set up to succeed with a gui and nice welcome screen for people that don’t want to get into command line stuff. It’s really snappy and I haven’t had any issues yet. I hate to be one to jump on a bandwagon but if it works, it works. The only games that haven’t worked for me on Linux are the anti cheat ones like Madden. Good luck
Finding suitable software for Linux is like moving from a boring suburb which has only a road to Walmart to a lovely small village with lots of woodland and hiking paths. You will need to find and explore new ways, but you will find them, and you will enjoy them.
More concretely spoken, Debian, as an example, has over 30,000 software packages. Some are really pleasant to use, like GNOME’s simple-scan. Some are stunning beautiful, like the astronomy app named Orrery, if I remember the name correctly. You can literally spend years exploring them. Or look into the Arch Wiki list of applications for a tasteful choice.
Tbh I just buy games and assume it works. It’s gotten that good. Really only a handful of big games like Call of Duty or Battlefield don’t support Linux and so I just ignore them on Steam.
Same. I don’t even check if a game works before buying it now. That said, I also don’t buy crap from EA, which seems to be one of the largest offenders.
The Steam Deck has been a lightning rod of getting gaming compatibility into the mainstream. The Proton compatibility layer works for most Steam games and the Proton DB will tell you the level of compatibility for a given game on Linux, https://www.protondb.com/ . Additionally, a number of other compatibility layers and ported front ends for GOG, Epic and various others are available and functioning (I can’t list them all as I only use Steam, but I’m all in on Fedora and have yet to find a game that won’t run). VR is working now on Linux (I have an Oculus Quest 2 I was given a couple years ago and it works flawlessly), as are most game pads. You can go with something like Bazzite which has a number of gaming specific compatibility tools built in, and it’s immutable so it’s a deliberate effort to break the thing. The only real limitations for software is anything Adobe (but there open source apps to fill that gap, GIMP is among the biggest) and
MS OfficeM365 Copilot, which you can just use the Libre Office suite or if compatibility is a concern due to macros or addins, OnlyOffice is a decent alternative.Thanks for the breakdown!
I already use Libre, but I do use Adobe CS5 for my side gig (fuck subscriptions). Nothing else I’ve tried has really worked for me.
I’ll have to look into Linux with older Photoshop versions.
Have you tried the web based photopea? Its a pretty close replica of Photoshop. Does most of what it can do. Only thing I still need Photoshop for is my photo printing workflow. Still trying to figure out how to do it and match the same quality with GIMP or dark table and cups.
I’ll check this out!
I’ve been using Linux exclusively for the past few years, even VR games work fine since a while.
Some yes most are still causing issues. Might also be that my headset is wireless so there is a few extras steps involved in the experience.
Yeah getting VR working had been the only hangup for me so far. Also wireless. It will connect but its insanely laggy and compression artifacty. Worked fine on the same hardware and network with windows.
At this point I’m hoping the release of the steam frame comes with a ton of fixes for vr on Linux.
gamers depends most games (>90%) will generally run. kernel anti cheat games mostly wont. Nvidia based gamers might run into a few more hurdles. modding select games might prove to be slightly more challenging (mainly the ones that revolve around executables to work) but generally speaking most things in windows have an analog in linux.
Oof, I’ve got a GeForce and lean heavily into modded games. I’ll do some research.
I’ve had no trouble with any of my steam games so far. I’ve downloaded about half my library, which is an eclectic collection of games from the last 20 years or so.
