edit: Fedora it is then!
He will be running the AMD 9800 X3D w/ RX 9070 XT, B850 motherboard.
I am deciding between either Fedora (probably KDE) and Bazzite (also KDE), but I’m not sure whether an atomic distro would be better/worse for a newbie.
As far as I understand, atomic distros can be easily rolled back after an update, but you are unable to use apt/dnf/etx, you need to use Flatpak, I think. Would that be limiting for the average user? Also, does Bazzite have better driver support for newer AMD hardware compared to Fedora?
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No matter what you end up using, make sure he installs RustDesk, so you can easily connect and fix the inevitable problems
A lot of people are going to recommend you mint, I honestly think mint is an outdated suggestion for beginners, I think immutability is extremely important for someone who is just starting out, as well as starting on KDE since it’s by far the most developed DE that isn’t gnome and their… design decisions are unfortunate for people coming from windows.
I don’t think we should be recommending mint to beginners anymore, if mint makes an immutable, up to date KDE distro, that’ll change, but until then, I think bazzite or aurora if you don’t like gaming is objectively a better starting place for beginners.
The mere fact that bazzite and other immutables generate a new system for you on update and let you switch between and rollback automatically is enough for me to say it’s better, but it also has more up to date software, and tons of guides (fedora is one of the most popular distros, and bazzite is essentially identical except with some QoL upgrades).
How common is the story of “I was new to linux and completely broke it”? that’s not a good user experience for someone who’s just starting, it’s intimidating, scary, and I just don’t think it’s the best in the modern era. There’s something to be said about learning from these mistakes, but bazzite essentially makes these mistakes impossible.
Furthermore because of the way bazzite works, package management is completely graphical and requires essentially no intervention on the users part, flathub and immutability pair excellently for this reason.
Cinnamon (the default mint environment) doesn’t and won’t support HDR, the security/performance improvements from wayland, mixed refresh rate displays, mixed DPI displays, fractional scaling, and many other things for a very very long time if at all. I don’t understand the usecase for cinnamon tbh, xfce is great if you need performance but don’t want to make major sacrifices, lxqt is great if you need A LOT of performance, cinnamon isn’t particularly performant and just a strictly worse version of kde in my eyes from the perspective of a beginner, anyway.
I have 15 years of linux experience and am willing to infinitely troubleshoot if you add me on matrix.
I use both Mint and Nobara. Nobara is on my gaming rig, and Mint is my daily driver laptop. I agree that KDE is better than Cinnamon, but I do feel like Cinnamon is more streamlined for folks who don’t want/need all the bells and whistles that come with KDE.
Also, I read somewhere that full support for Wayland on Cinnamon is slated for this year.
I haven’t used Bazzite, but comparing against Nobara, Mint’s updater and graphical software store are way more polished.
Also, every once in a while, I find that some application that I need is only distributed as a .deb (such as the AWS VPN Client), so it’s nice to be on a Debian-family distro when that situation arises.
I feel like just getting Fedora KDE would be fine. Maybe I will try Bazzite first and see if the atomic-ness is too limiting.
Fine but still a downgrade to reliability
Whatever you use, so when he asks for support, you’re in a position to help
Fedora it is then
nah go for bazzite, hardware support is the same, flatpaks are not limiting, you can install any package you like with
rpm-ostree(you won’t have to) and all the gaming stuff is sorted out for youi think the days of having to troubleshoot linux distros are over for normal users, it all just works. in fact bazzite is designed to be the fedora that’s easier to use
The second question is easier: I’m way more opinionated about preferring KDE than I am about which distro to use.
I would recommend Linux Mint. Its really simple to work with and basically plug and play. Comes with a solid software selection and built in tools. I personally really like the cinammon and mate editions. Cinnamon has a bit more modern look to it and MATE is a bit more retro.
I heard that Linux Mint doesn’t play nice with newer hardware? Or is that only an Nvidia thing
It has to do with LTS kernel (iirc) making it incompatible with certain new(er) hardware. I recommend Fedora KDE.
Mint is based on Ubuntu, which has a Hardware Enablement Stack offering newer kernels. I would expect that (or maybe something Mint-specific) to take care of it.
I still would never recommend a “stable release” or LTS distro because the vast majority of security vulnerabilities never receive a CVE, and as a result the a large amount of vulnerabilities go unpatched for months. Also I like distros that take security seriously (Fedora and openSUSE).
It also doesn’t have HDR if that’s important to you. I switch into kubuntu whenever I want to watch something in HDR.
I ran an older Nvidia card an currently a new amd card on Linux mint without problems. I suggest you try it out first using a live install on a USB stick.
I believe you need to be on kernel 6.12+ for the 9070 XT. Mint 22.3 will support that.
likely You’ll be supporting them, so whatever you’re more comfortable trouble shooting
Fedora if he’s not gaming.
Bazzite if he’s gaming. Or CachyOS.
I’ll give you the secret to easy linux: stick with defaults! Stick with distros aimed at whatever you’re tying to do, and you get a whole army of very experienced developers preconfiguring it all for you, for free. Instead of having to maintain breakage youself.
For example, do you want to learn all about debugging AMD drivers? Do you want to get into the intricacies of performant Proton setups, and environment variables, and kernels stuff?
You could just not, and get all that prepackaged!
Here’s just a sampling of some pre-configured stuff in my distro:
cachyos/protonplus 0.5.14-1 A simple Wine and Proton-based compatiblity tools manager for GNOME cachyos/protontricks 1.13.1-1 Run Winetricks commands for Steam Play/Proton games among other common Wine features cachyos/protonup-qt 2.14.0-1 Install and manage Proton-GE and Luxtorpeda for Steam and Wine-GE for Lutris cachyos/umu-launcher 1.3.0-2 This is the Unified Launcher for Windows Games on Linux, to run Proton with fixes outside of Steam cachyos/vkd3d-proton-mingw-git 3.0.r0.g6d97b022-1 Fork of VKD3D. Development branches for Protons Direct3D 12 implementationcachyos-znver4/mesa-git 26.0.0_devel.216300.02cfc61cc93-1 an open-source implementation of the OpenGL specification, git versionDo I know a thing about how Proton works? Nope. Do I know anything about maintaining an upstream AMD driver for some kind of bug fix? Absolutely not. And I don’t have to! It’s just there, in sync with the rest of my system through some maintainer’s magic.
Fedora if he’s not gaming.
Bazzite if he’s gaming. Or CachyOS.
Specs are a 9800X3D and a 9070XT. He’s definitely gaming.
Or if he isn’t, he bought the wrong computer.
I’d do CachyOS. It’s a very new GPU. They even have packages specifically optimized for that CPU, and fixing stuff (other than simply rolling back) isn’t such a pain.
But I’m biased, as I like CachyOS.
Fedora is perfect for beginners. Stay away from immutable anything if you’re going to be helping support this.
I guess I will install Fedora for him then. What’s wrong with the atomic distros?
Lots of extra hoops. Not enough documentation or community for a beginner to get support.
fair enough
Bazzite works pretty well out of the box and with new hardware (n = 1)
Ok, but I would kind of find flatpaks very restrictive after a while.
Based on what I’ve heard about Bazzite I’d pick it over Fedora for your friend, but I’ve always used Debian-based distros so I can’t speak from experience.
Is your friend a beginner? If so, Mint or Pop_OS! should be considered, since they’re both Ubuntu-based. Bazzite is not recommended due to its atomic nature being kinda wonky, and Fedora I wouldn’t recommend due to IBM being a bunch of stubborn bums about antiquated technology (i.e. X11) that works fine, compared to newer stuff (i.e. Wayland) which is not ready for prime time at all.
If he isn’t, and knows what he’s doing, CachyOS is a good choice, but I’d recommend he use Cinnamon as his DE, since it looks similar to Windows Vista or Windows 7. It does have both X11 and Wayland, but it’s X11 by default.
Agree except Bazzite is good for the right kind of non-technical person if they have someone setting it up. PopOs is the safe choice though.
Pop OS has always been slow for me, I don’t know why.
Depends. Why does he want to use Linux?
Because he heard that Windows 11 is very stinky, and Windows 10 is no longer supported.
And what does he want to use it to do?
Regular Fedora should be perfectly fine. I’d ensure a separate /home partition and a backup for ease of reinstallation if it gets wrecked. Yes, an atomic distro or btrfs snapshots could do that too, but like you mentioned, there are other considerations for atomic distros. And a separate /home partition eases installation of other distros if Fedora doesn’t do it for him for some reason.
He will be doing some gaming (mostly single player stuff, like Minecraft) and will also be doing your normal everyday stuff (schoolwork, internet things, and probably a bit of programming since he is doing CS)
Coming from windows, Linux mint cinnamon will be very familiar to him. It also runs games well, being based on Ubuntu.
Actually, he isn’t coming from Windows. He only has an iPad, I think this is his first PC
For new users, I’ve been recommending Zorin with good success.
would an ubuntu base support something as new as a 9800 well?
I can’t say for certain as I don’t have one to test. That being said, I’ve worked with hundreds of AMD/Linux machines (both deb and rpm distros) over the years and haven’t experienced compatibility issues.
I’m sure it’d be fine.
I’m using OST right now and I like it’s features quite a lot
My PC is the same build and I run Kinoite (also KDE). The only major issue I ran into was figuring out how to get a Windows VM up and running for work stuff, but I eventually got it and now that’s working smoothly, too.
The majority of what most people run is available as a Flatpak container, but there’s also rpm-ostree if you want to install packages, which functions similarly to dnf. And you still have rpm if you want to install something manually.
As far as AMD driver support goes, everything’s been working great. Can’t say how it compares to base Fedora, though, but it’s probably similar.
The Bazzite docs really recommend against rpm-ostree, saying it could break stuff and such
I don’t use it as a primary, but for me it’s been fine for some one-off tools.
