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the part I always forget is that I almost instinctively avoid hardware with linux issues and never have hardware problems with any particular distro, leaving me to hate on gnome or the distro maintainers making corpo choices
Bazzite works on all but my mom’s computer which for some reason works with aurora. A lot of people seem to hate on atomic distros but thanks to them I haven’t done any bullshit idiot level tech support in so long and I can finally have panic attacks and anxiety over just work and current events
Hmmm go figure at the comments here complaining about Bazzite, I’ve been on it over a year now and really like it
The update to Nvidia’s 590 drivers just blew up GPU acceleration on my Bazzite install, so now every window visual effect is blank and I get errors in desktop accelerated software all over the place.
Today is not the day to poke me on “SMASHING” anything. I’m only typing this from Windows because I needed to get work done, so I can’t spend the day playing the “tweak Linux until it works” videogame.
Can’t you just rollback? I haven’t done this myself, but rolling back should be a strong suit of an atomic system like bazzite.
Yeah, I could and I probably will, but not today and not until I don’t have to do work.
That’s the “tweak Linux until it works” game I don’t have time to play right now. Even if it works first time, and there’s no guarantee that it will.
Also, the last working Nvidia drivers for me are absolutely ancient. And GPU drivers on a gaming distro aren’t a works/doesn’t work thing. There are entire features and per-game optimizations significantly impacting performance enabled on each version. You want to be on the latest drivers.
why not today it takes 2 minutes
you spent more time writing this post
the whole point of bazzite is that it’s trivially easy and just works unlike the old “tweak linux” approach
make use of the distro you chose
Hah. I spent more time writing this post in the gaps between waiting for work stuff to finish work stuffing. I can’t just… not sit down for work for an arbitrary amount of time because I’m busy arguing with the Linux Nvidia drivers.
I agree that’s the point of Bazzite, though. So if it doesn’t in fact “just work” for me, then what’s the point of it?
You literally just reboot and pick the older image on boot, if it’s anything like Aurora.
If you just want to boot whatever you were running prior to the last update, yeah, it’s typically in the GRUB menu. If you updated more than once (which I believe I did) you need to go find the previous snapshot, but it’s not too much more hassle.
That doesn’t particularly fix anything, though, unless you’re cool with not updating indefinitely the thing you wanted to use or with updating everything else manually until the issue is fixed. If you want to be able to fix the update you still have to go into the logs and figure out what’s going on (since the failure isn’t universal and I know people are running these drivers without issues this must be possible). And of course all that assumes it was actually the update that broke something and the rollback actually fixes the issue.
Or, hear me out, I could reboot and choose Windows in GRUB instead, and that works for sure and I don’t have to think about it.
So Windows it is until I feel adventurous. I owe my Bazzite install zero extra time. If it can’t run as conveniently as clicking down one more time to select Windows then it’s not running.
As I said elsewhere, people really underestimate the level of stability it takes to be a mainstream option for a desktop OS.
Fair enough. Although I wouldn’t call Windows 11 stable, nowadays.
That’s the “tweak Linux until it works” game I don’t have time to play right now.
Yeah I get that, a gaming system in particular should just work™. Luckily bazzite has been good to me in that regard, but I’m also using an AMD card - sorry to hear about your troubles.
Shouldn’t have too. Insert Gordon Ramsay you donkey meme here. I’m on bazzite for a reason but the Linux desktop community is as delusional as they’ve ever been while Valve pumps billions just to make deck usable.
Hey, good for them.
To be absolutely clear, I want to be on Linux full time. I’d love to dump Windows altogether.
But I am an adult with actual shit to do, so working most of the time isn’t good enough.
I have zero issues with corpos contributing to open source stuff. And I have zero issues with open source projects having for-profit offshoots. Blender works. Home Assistant works. SteamOS… mostly works, on its very narrow band of specifically selected hardware.
By all means, have Valve keep pumping money into the ecosystem. I’m all for it.
But yeah, the community is so weirdly out of touch and in so much denial about the obvious, ongoing support gaps having been fully resolved. Installing a OS on a clean drive and checking that most of your Steam library works isn’t even close to the level of reliability you need for mainstream use on desktop. Microsoft pushed what? Two bad updates that broke systems in the past six months? And they are out there making public commitments to “regain trust” while tech journalists talk about their unacceptable performance and inevitable demise.
If I judged Linux by that yardstick I would have nuked my Linux installs ages ago. If we want it to become a mainstream concern we need to understand why it isn’t and what needs to happen to get it there.
Fedora used to fuck up my work laptop after every upgrade, so I migrated to Ubuntu (14), then later to Mint.
I would suggest anyone to have any Fedora-based distro specially with nvidia hw as a second option after Mint.
Yeeeeeah, so “reinstall your OS from scratch” is a dealbreaker. You realize that if we’re on SMASHES WINDOWS territory you can’t ever, ever, EVER tell people to reinstall their OS from scratch, let alone what is, from a normie’s perspective, an entirely different OS. I’d argue that even the relatively simple rollback in Bazzite/Fedora atomic distros in general is a dealbreaker for most nromal users, at least with the current UX.
BTW, just to clarify how far from ready this is for mainstream adoption, Mint is a no-go because last I checked they still had no official HDR support (or VRR? Not sure about VRR, which is its own issue), so it’s just missing mandatory features for my gaming setup. Ubuntu has its own set of problems. Back when I was distro hopping for this setup Bazzite ended up being the only thing to simultaneously do surround sound out of the box (kinda, close enough) and VRR/HDR out of the box as well with embedded Nvidia drivers. Things may have changed, but I’m not distro hopping anymore.
I have a different thing with Cachy on it and it’s… fine? But the Arch-ness of it all rubs me personally the wrong way. Either way I’m not wiping my OS. If Fedora doesn’t work then it’s gonna be Windows because I have better things to do with my time.
So that’s how mainstream adoption works, for anybody keeping track.
IDK where you find ‘normies’ that have any idea what vrr and hdr even mean and those types tend to not even notice when they are running 60hz on a 265hz monitor with the resolution set wrong. My users are a bit more advanced than that but I’ve had 7 more people ask me to help them switch to bazzite or arch based distros since should be built in apps like notepad started bugging out for them and apart from things like ‘how install repack?’ or helping with mods, which they would have asked me for regardless of os, I haven’t had to do any further actual work on their systems and the one that had an hdr display proudly told me about looking up how ge proton and one steam launch option/environment variable will enable it.
There were literally huge G-Sync logos in the boxes of the last three TVs I helped people buy. When you plug in a game console and press the settings button on my current display in game mode it pops up a large HUD element that says “VRR” and displays the type of VRR currently active and the current framerate. Every other option and metric is hidden away in a sub-menu.
Not that this matters, because the point of VRR is you don’t need to know it’s there. If it’s working, the drivers and the display should talk to each other transparently. The end result if you have a Windows machine with VRR and a Linux machine that doesn’t support it and you plug them both to the same display is, again, that the Windows game will look smoother, regardless of how many fps it’s spitting out.
And as always, a reminder I’ve given many, many, many times in my life, both personally and professionally, “it works on my machine” means nothing and doesn’t mean there’s no bug or that your code isn’t crap. Your anecdotal experience and my anecdotal experience aren’t the same, because I have a showstopper bug and your seven friends don’t, which still means there’s a showstopper bug.
Yes that is my blind spot that I have created. I go into a store, I see g-sync is nvidia, and assume it won’t work. I have been avoiding stuff that I know doesn’t work or suspect won’t within the decade, for decades. I’ve been recommending friends and family avoid certain specific brands/tech buzzwords on the basis that it probably won’t work in a few years when the maker decides to drop support for version 1 and similar scenarios, or the ‘surprise’ real life case of windows really crossing the line on how shitty they can get away with and making people want to switch and coming to me to ask if this or that linux distro would work for them.
It’s not like reinstalling Windows wasn’t the best way to make it usable after couple of years.
And sure, HDR is the issue with SMASHING Windows? I always laugh at people who say ‘Linux is not ready for 99% of users’ then point out a feature only 1% uses.
I have not tried Bazzite, so maybe it’s a lot better than Fedora, maybe even Fedora changed, as I dropped it over a decade ago.
That hasn’t been the case since… what? Windows 7? All the Win 10/11 installs I have around the place are some version of the preinstalled OEM Windows setup or the initial install I made when I did it myself. There is no meaningful performance degradation on any of them that I can notice, and I believe there have been benchmarks done recently showing similar outcomes. Linux can’t afford to argue about Windows XP issues as if they were current. For the record, no, Windows won’t force you to reset mid-work to make an install anymore, either. It defaults to installing updates on reboot, just like Bazzite (you can turn it off on Bazzite and not on Windows, though).
Also, HDR is absolutely not “a feature only 1% uses”. The past four monitors I’ve purchased had HDR support, not because I wanted it, just because it came with them. My last laptop came with it out of the box. All the TVs I’ve purchased for myself and relatives for many years have it (not even sure if they make non-HDR TVs anymore, in fact). It’s supported by all current-gen consoles, now the Switch 2 has added support for it, too. It’s also supported by the Steam Deck, incidentally.
So no, not a niche feature anymore, by a long shot. It’s baseline compatibility for any display made this decade. And for a gaming computer it’s an absolute must, especially if you want to do TV out with it, which I do. As will the upcoming Steam Machine. Again, can’t SMASH WINDOWS for gaming if games outright look better on Windows than Linux when they come out of my screen. That’s not how that works.
Even if that wasn’t the case, though. My monitors are already HDR. This is about the OS being compatible with the hardware I already own. I’m not paying for features I can’t use because the software is incompatible with it for no good reason.
FWIW, Bazzite isn’t any better than Fedora, it’s just… Fedora. It has a couple of gaming-friendly features, including booting into a controller interface by default (which doesn’t work well on Nvidia cards, so meh) and specific compatibility for certain gaming hardware, particularly for handhelds and gaming laptops, which can be very useful if you’re on a portable gaming device that struggles under Windows but is not officially supported on SteamOS. You can rebase directly from it to the Fedora atomic distro matching your DE if you want (can’t rebase across DE’s, annoyingly).
I think Fedora and all these rolling distros are too aggressive with updates. You gotta let changes simmer and get tested long-term before sending them to the mainstream users. But LTS is too slow. Kubuntu does it right, every 6 months is enough.
And of course Fedora hates Nvidia, so Bazzite should be doing their own extra testing of every update for Nvidia drivers or the kernel before pushing out the updates.
That is absolutely not the issue.
This is a Nvidia driver update that broke my stuff. They’re already way too slow pulling those in, and they still have a nasty habit of breaking entire features. I can see other people online complaining that it busted sleep/wake for them (joke’s on them, it’s always been busted for me). The driver they’re pushing isn’t even to parity with the Windows driver at all. It’s just catching up to being slightly less out of date.
@MudMan@fedia.io feelsbadman. To be fair, AMD HW works pretty well out of the box, (sometimes better than on windows, FSR4 on RDNA3 ahem…) however NVIDIA has always been quite anti-linux. They only changed the tune because linux supoort is critical for AI inference and even then, they hate openness. Jensen, the fascist, Huang knows full well that letting users into the nux environment is the first step into loathing NVIDIA.
Good luck with the troubleshooting
The only thing Bazzite smashes is the ability to boot my laptop, which was the be expected as Fedora also consistently had major issues on it in the past. I’ll stick to Mint, works well enough for gaming now that I’ve whipped it into shape.
Is it a Surface laptop?
Nope, a Dell Latitude.
I can’t even boot up my broken ass bazzite install without a disco ball effect. These videos are pathetic.
