I started building pcs to replace cable boxes for people. The realization I had is that most people’s understanding of technology starts and ends with their phone.
‘Is this a windows computer’ ‘No this is a dell computer’
If that’s true then how come I see non-programmers talk about the somewhat obscure OS developer, Dick Pick, all the time?
Computer scientists don’t understand this. This is systems.
Seriously, I have met computer scientists who admit they don’t know how the computer works, but simply is processional math.
One dude just got his phD in computer science and admitted to me he cannot even use his phone. Wish I was joking.
Computer science doesn’t mean you know how to a use a computer; astronomers and microbiologists don’t know much about telescopes and microscopes.
And CS students have the dumbest “smart” questions.
One dude just got his phD in computer science and admitted to me he cannot even use his phone. Wish I was joking
I mean, computer science is basically the mathematics of computation. It’s not like the people working on knot theory or topology are great with 3d art or knitting
Exactly
A BSD. There are multiple
I swear I saw a comment around here that said “the average user does not want bloatware like systemd on their computer” and I just kind of wonder if we are all living on the same planet sometimes.
If it makes you feel better, you’re probably overestimating their interest in whatever it is.
someone told me their sound for meetings was coming out of their hard drive the other day. I knew what they meant but still.
now if it was a floppy drive I could believe them
Hold up, what did they mean because I cannot translate that
Non-technical people will sometimes refer to whatever piece of plastic or metal that contains electronic components of any sort but does not consist of an LCD display or obvious input device as a “hard drive”. This includes desktop boxes, external modems, docking stations, UPS systems, teleconferencing platforms, and far, far more. If it has das blinkenlights anywhere on it you can expect it to be referred to as a “hard drive” at some point. It will save you a headache if you just mentally translate their “hard drive” to mean “hardware” instead.
Alternatively, if it is a display device (an LCD monitor), expect that to be called either “the computer”, “the server”, or “the internet”.
Probably the desktop tower. I’ve seen many people call it a hard drive, but I’m actually not sure how common it is to have speakers in the tower.
Yeah the avg people won’t even know about the TempleOS
Most of them haven’t even set up Arch
I use Plan 9 BTW
no way
If you put Linux Mint on the average persons PC and set it up with the same desktop icons as their windows pc they wouldn’t know it wasn’t windows.
My dad has been running Linux Mint for almost 10 years now and he doesn’t know that LibreOffice isn’t “Linux.”
Just show them where the web browser is and done!
No shit I did this for my partners grandparent. All they needed was the browser to do shit like Facebook and paying bills. Slapped Linux Mint on their near dinosaur laptop with a Windows theme and they were none the wiser.
I constantly remind myself of the George Carlin(I think) quote:
“Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize that half of them are stupider than that.”
Also important to remember Douglas Adams (when underestimating stupid people):
“A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.”
Have gotten to post that one twice this week!
Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning.
gotta add the babbage classic :
On two occasions I have been asked, — “Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?” In one case a member of the Upper, and in the other a member of the Lower, House put this question. I am not able rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question.
I always think about the effort to create a bear proof trash can in Yosemite that gave us the phrase “there is significant overlap between the smartest bear and the dumbest tourist”.
https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/08/security_is_a_t.html
"There is considerable overlap between the intelligence of the smartest bears and the dumbest tourists.”
While I don’t disagree with this in principal, it’s important to distinguish between stupidity and ignorance. Most people don’t know about OSes because they’ve never needed to learn more than how to do basic tasks, and so are ignorant of how they work, what alternatives are out there, and why someone might choose one. This is very different to being incapable of those technicalities if shown a good reason to do so.
The average person has tried four or five different operating systems.
the average person has tried 0.7 operating systems
The average person distro hopped at least 3 times before they settled on Mint.
- The one preinstalled on their computer.
- The one preinstalled on their phone.
- The one preinstalled on their smart TV.
- ???
I wasn’t being serious, but I guess you can add in preinstalled on their gaming console
But do they even know they have tried them?
I was definitely being silly. The average person doesn’t even know operating systems exist.
Is it Georg again?
Are these really overestimations?
So are you Mac or windows?
I’m not a crappy OS.
Am in tech. Surrounded by tech people. Front devs, back devs, data engineers, data scientists and analysts, IT techs…
They know windows. They know macOS as an “easier alternative for normies”. Some of them even prefer it because it’s “easy”. A few of them even know there’s a terminal somewhere, but wouldn’t
git commitfrom the command line even if their life depended on it.A lot of them have heard of Linux, in a distant and nebulous way. Most of them still believe that Linux is confined to the server space or a weird dev environment inside WSL because you’re developing for servers, that you can’t daily drive Linux as a desktop, or that you can’t game on Linux. None of them would consider switching even if they spend their day complaining about how shitty windows is.
This is true for about 95% of the tech people I interact with btw. Big tech psyop is real.
They know macOS as an “easier alternative for normies”
Questionable amount of knowledge for techies if they aren’t aware that MacOS has a nearly full-blown FreeBSD inside. Then again, discourse on Reddit and Lemmy is the same way. But a lot of webdevs love MacOS, which also leads to tons of open-source utils for it.
There’s a sorta-famous photo from CERN, from early 2010s, with a room full of folks who work there, all with Macbooks. A dude I know went to CERN sometimes for his university, and came to me with a question of why he’s seen so many Macs there. I explained that it’s a Unix but with a GUI made for people.
I wouldn’t take a developer who can’t write git commit from command line seriously
One of my developer interns only ever uses the visual Git plugin in IntelliJ. It seems to work for him, but I can’t figure it out at all for the life of me; something about the visuals made it so difficult for me to parse. I’ll stick to my terminal, thanks.
Sometimes the brain just needs a big button. Other times the button is confusing even though it says exactly what it does.
That’s kind of an astounding anecdotal batch of experience, you sure more of those folks don’t know Linux better?
Similar position… Definitely accurate from my experience as well. There’s a couple that clearly know, but a lot that don’t even though they are deep in tech fields.
Same position and agree
MacOS has less “hiccups” when running containers compared to windows. We can’t run Linux as main os on our machines because support doesn’t want to support that, so we run it in docker for our dev work.
My parents know one and it’s windows. One time my dad messaged me at work to ask if his laptop had windows xp, vista, 7, 8, 10 or 11, so he doesn’t even know the version differences :p
My mom may also say “samsung” as an operating system if you prod enough, but she also knows their laptop has windows 11, so she knows more than my dad
So that’s what the average non-tech person thinks about OSes
Your dad seems miles ahead knowing windows versions compared to the average person.
I mean he was trying to run software which listed those as compatible, so he just copied the list :3
But yeah, thinking about windows versions at all is already a step ahead some
Yeah. A typical non-tech person is just as likely to say their PC is running on Microsoft or Google. Maybe they’ll say Edge if they are really knowledgeable.
I worked tech support in a call center, a thousand years ago.
Telling people to click on the “big blue E” was used nearly every call. Not much has changed.
In the case of the browser, they are still only describing use, not brand name.
They don’t know what a browser is. That’s just “The Internet”.
Yep, my first level tech support experience absolutely confirms this. The question what operating system the client uses has gotten me a wide variety of answers, and most of them did not have anything to do with operating systems.
Most of them are unaware of what an OS is even.
