If the models all go up in smoke, we still have the code (and its bugs) - so let’s get as many bugs out as possible as soon as possible and not accept a bunch of garbage code - as has always been the case, it’s just happening faster now.
Trainers (all over the world) are behaving badly, because they can get away with it. I’m not sure where that ends up, but it doesn’t change the generated code or the discovered vulnerabilities or the fixes.
The personal data has been abused for decades already, but again - now it’s easier for more actors to abuse your personal data and mine. Maybe, someday, we’ll get serious about enforcing privacy policies and not just have completely toothless theater about it.
Yeah, personal data has in fact been abused for years, it’s just getting worse though…With all the latest breaches that have leaked a lot of shit. It’s why I am constantly fighting all the bad bills whenever they are being talked about, making sure I am a pest to my representatives. Making sure my voice and opinion are loud and clear, also making sure others speak up too. That makes a difference. We just have to fight harder for more bills with teeth and consequences for the various entities that handle data and let it spill. Like actual business ending fines and real punishments. Setting actual standards that are sane, secure, can be optimized and built upon.
That code is still suspect to me, as random code generators aren’t known for creating maintainable code…People have to audit that shit to make it serviceable, which greats bigger workloads. Breaking the spirit of mostly volunteers with such inexpertly crafted code is just not the best idea.
Yeah, Trainers do act badly because they weren’t regulated to hell and back early on…With clear and decisive lines that shouldn’t be crossed. With rules that needed to be followed, people paid for their data or compensated for hammering personal websites. A lot of the data gets data laundered and put in training sets, but can be found in models, said models can be made to reproduce phrases. It’s honestly nasty work, that should’ve never been allowed to get out of control like it has. However, it was doomed to be this way because an absolute morally compromised fool is sitting in the White House so the major US creatures…Are going to get away with a lot for as long as possible. As for other countries, well, they don’t seem too keen on regulating so called “AI” as much as they should be. They are coo coo for corporate lies.
Keep it up. I’m in Floriduh so talking to our representatives is more or less like talking to a brick wall. They may accumulate counts of how many people raise an issue, but for the most part they’re serving the federal administration’s agenda, not listening to their constituents.
People have to audit that shit to make it serviceable, which greats bigger workloads
I mostly ignored LLM code generation until around August of 2025 - it was still pretty raw back then, but it was showing potential for significant improvement, and since then there has been significant improvement. At this point, I find that if I ride herd on the LLM agent and keep it focused, structured, addressing technical debt frequently, etc. I can actually review the generated code more quickly and easily than similarly mature code by human developers. What is coming out of models like Opus 5.5 now is looking like what I would write if I had all the time in the world to cover all the edge cases, handle all the errors, do the logging and auditing and all the other “good stuff”. It does explode the code for what was a simple “happy path” thing into a much larger structure that takes the real world problems into account and gets in front of them, handling them gracefully and presenting clear messages about what went wrong when unavoidable problems happen.
I guess what I’m saying is: yeah, we’re still getting more code to review, but it’s getting easier to review and the presence of meaningful automated tests and consistent documentation and non-rotten traceability from requirements through all that is actually resulting in lower overall workloads once you look at the big picture of what it takes to maintain code in the real world with security and other issues and not just the happy insecure proof of concept and ship it world.
Breaking the spirit of mostly volunteers with such inexpertly crafted code is just not the best idea.
Yeah, if your models are giving you inexpertly crafted code, you need to keep iterating with them until it’s expertly crafted before shipping it, don’t just throw up a pull request because some bogus tests passed. And, there’s still a difference among models - they’ve all improved rather dramatically over the last 12 months, but for my purposes (coding robust, secure, safe applications) Claude’s Opus and Sonnet are still “in the lead” by a pretty good margin. Other models are better at other things…
Trainers do act badly because they weren’t regulated to hell and back
There’s not enough transparency or accountability in the global business landscape for any kind of regulation to actually work. If these regulations are going to have any chance, the first step has to be true transparency - like FOSS does with open source development repositories, and more.
people paid for their data or compensated for hammering personal websites.
Keep dreaming. It would be a wonderful world, but it’s far from where we are.
said models can be made to reproduce phrases
Like English majors can quote Keats after graduation… I’m not sure that’s proof of plagarism in their other writing.
an absolute morally compromised fool
Yeah, it’s been an interesting ride this cycle - seems like they’re trying to tear down the government institutions in preparation for something like Palpatine disbanding the Senate… destroy all confidence by blowing up every problem of the past and flaunting it as something actively done at the highest levels. If they succeed in holding power through the upcoming mid-terms the ride is only going to get more interesting…
If the models all go up in smoke, we still have the code (and its bugs) - so let’s get as many bugs out as possible as soon as possible and not accept a bunch of garbage code - as has always been the case, it’s just happening faster now.
Trainers (all over the world) are behaving badly, because they can get away with it. I’m not sure where that ends up, but it doesn’t change the generated code or the discovered vulnerabilities or the fixes.
The personal data has been abused for decades already, but again - now it’s easier for more actors to abuse your personal data and mine. Maybe, someday, we’ll get serious about enforcing privacy policies and not just have completely toothless theater about it.
Yeah, personal data has in fact been abused for years, it’s just getting worse though…With all the latest breaches that have leaked a lot of shit. It’s why I am constantly fighting all the bad bills whenever they are being talked about, making sure I am a pest to my representatives. Making sure my voice and opinion are loud and clear, also making sure others speak up too. That makes a difference. We just have to fight harder for more bills with teeth and consequences for the various entities that handle data and let it spill. Like actual business ending fines and real punishments. Setting actual standards that are sane, secure, can be optimized and built upon.
That code is still suspect to me, as random code generators aren’t known for creating maintainable code…People have to audit that shit to make it serviceable, which greats bigger workloads. Breaking the spirit of mostly volunteers with such inexpertly crafted code is just not the best idea.
Yeah, Trainers do act badly because they weren’t regulated to hell and back early on…With clear and decisive lines that shouldn’t be crossed. With rules that needed to be followed, people paid for their data or compensated for hammering personal websites. A lot of the data gets data laundered and put in training sets, but can be found in models, said models can be made to reproduce phrases. It’s honestly nasty work, that should’ve never been allowed to get out of control like it has. However, it was doomed to be this way because an absolute morally compromised fool is sitting in the White House so the major US creatures…Are going to get away with a lot for as long as possible. As for other countries, well, they don’t seem too keen on regulating so called “AI” as much as they should be. They are coo coo for corporate lies.
Keep it up. I’m in Floriduh so talking to our representatives is more or less like talking to a brick wall. They may accumulate counts of how many people raise an issue, but for the most part they’re serving the federal administration’s agenda, not listening to their constituents.
I mostly ignored LLM code generation until around August of 2025 - it was still pretty raw back then, but it was showing potential for significant improvement, and since then there has been significant improvement. At this point, I find that if I ride herd on the LLM agent and keep it focused, structured, addressing technical debt frequently, etc. I can actually review the generated code more quickly and easily than similarly mature code by human developers. What is coming out of models like Opus 5.5 now is looking like what I would write if I had all the time in the world to cover all the edge cases, handle all the errors, do the logging and auditing and all the other “good stuff”. It does explode the code for what was a simple “happy path” thing into a much larger structure that takes the real world problems into account and gets in front of them, handling them gracefully and presenting clear messages about what went wrong when unavoidable problems happen.
I guess what I’m saying is: yeah, we’re still getting more code to review, but it’s getting easier to review and the presence of meaningful automated tests and consistent documentation and non-rotten traceability from requirements through all that is actually resulting in lower overall workloads once you look at the big picture of what it takes to maintain code in the real world with security and other issues and not just the happy insecure proof of concept and ship it world.
Yeah, if your models are giving you inexpertly crafted code, you need to keep iterating with them until it’s expertly crafted before shipping it, don’t just throw up a pull request because some bogus tests passed. And, there’s still a difference among models - they’ve all improved rather dramatically over the last 12 months, but for my purposes (coding robust, secure, safe applications) Claude’s Opus and Sonnet are still “in the lead” by a pretty good margin. Other models are better at other things…
There’s not enough transparency or accountability in the global business landscape for any kind of regulation to actually work. If these regulations are going to have any chance, the first step has to be true transparency - like FOSS does with open source development repositories, and more.
Keep dreaming. It would be a wonderful world, but it’s far from where we are.
Like English majors can quote Keats after graduation… I’m not sure that’s proof of plagarism in their other writing.
Yeah, it’s been an interesting ride this cycle - seems like they’re trying to tear down the government institutions in preparation for something like Palpatine disbanding the Senate… destroy all confidence by blowing up every problem of the past and flaunting it as something actively done at the highest levels. If they succeed in holding power through the upcoming mid-terms the ride is only going to get more interesting…