Edit: @plyth@feddit.org pointed out that Motorola is in fact split into two separate companies. The phone company is effectively Lenovo, so Chinese, and not related to the American surveillance technology branch.
Not sure I’d trust Lenovo/Motorola Mobility either, but that’s a different story.
In June 2026, Motorola bricked its whole line of routers without any explanation, leaving their customers with broken hardware.
The main thing you’re supporting is Motorola, the second biggest provider of surveillance technology in the US after Flock. Deflock lists 5% of the cameras as Motorola, but the share is increasing as backlash against Flock is growing and Flock cameras are replaced with more low key competitors.
404media has reported on how Motorola cameras are used by ice.
“Gotta support the cause” is one hell of a dangerous sentiment under capitalism.
They’re keeping a low profile on their surveillance technology while successfully marketing themselves as a privacy alternative in consumer tech. Its pretty fascinating to watch. I wouldn’t blame anyone for missing it.
It’s also worth reading up on Aviglon, a subsidiary of Motorola specializing in surveillance technology.
Motorola was split into two independent public companies: Motorola Solutions (its legal successor) and Motorola Mobility (spun off), on January 4, 2011
They also refuse to provide basic functionality like inverted navbar buttons.
This is supported in AOSP now.
Because they’re diva devs.
This doesn’t seem like a mature thing to say just because you want to flip buttons and are annoyed that the privacy and security-focused project didn’t add a feature to flip buttons.
No it isn’t. GrapheneOS is directly based on AOSP, so it includes everything AOSP does. GOS devs have made it clear they want you to use gestures, and they only include the navbar at all because it’s still in AOSP.
Inverted navbar is in wide a range of other AOSP custom ROMs (including LineageOS, which could be confused with pure AOSP), because those developers chose to incorporate it. But it isn’t in AOSP by default.
This doesn’t seem like a mature thing to say just because you want to flip buttons and are annoyed that the privacy and security-focused project didn’t add a feature to flip buttons.
It’s an accurate take on their general attitude to polite requests on their github. And the reason the requests are so excessively polite is because people are treading on eggshells due to their diva reputation - albeit, this reputation is somewhat drowned out by their fandom.
It’s also not mature to downvote people just because you disagree with them.
And furthermore, the reason I use the navbar is because I want a force close long-press gesture on the back button, so I can more easily close apps and stop their background processes. To me, that’s a fairly important feature for privacy and security. That’s also likely a big reason Google pushed away from that, and to see GOS devs align themselves with Google in such a manner raises my eyebrow against them, at the very least.
It’s open source, but the license agreement prohibits using it in other projects. You can do it for your own personal builds, but not any published builds.
Elements of it, perhaps, but things like the sandboxing are explicitly prohibited in other Android ROMs. Otherwise almost all custom ROMs would be using it, or some flavour of it.
other OSes
And this terminology kind of tells me you don’t really know the custom ROM scene.
Gonna buy one, gotta support the cause. We need this phone to do well.
GrapheneOS’ cause is only theirs. They don’t share with the ecosystem
Edit: @plyth@feddit.org pointed out that Motorola is in fact split into two separate companies. The phone company is effectively Lenovo, so Chinese, and not related to the American surveillance technology branch.
Not sure I’d trust Lenovo/Motorola Mobility either, but that’s a different story.
The main thing you’re supporting is Motorola, the second biggest provider of surveillance technology in the US after Flock. Deflock lists 5% of the cameras as Motorola, but the share is increasing as backlash against Flock is growing and Flock cameras are replaced with more low key competitors.404media has reported on how Motorola cameras are used by ice.“Gotta support the cause” is one hell of a dangerous sentiment under capitalism.Damn I guess most of us didn’t know that, thank you for sharing.
They’re keeping a low profile on their surveillance technology while successfully marketing themselves as a privacy alternative in consumer tech. Its pretty fascinating to watch. I wouldn’t blame anyone for missing it.
It’s also worth reading up on Aviglon, a subsidiary of Motorola specializing in surveillance technology.
Different company?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola
Fitting how the US part of the company does more survellance than the Chinese part
Or so we hope, anyway.
You’re supporting diva devs selling out.
We don’t need GOS to do well. We need a fully open ecosystem for phone operating systems. GOS devs don’t let anyone incorporate their code.
They also refuse to provide basic functionality like inverted navbar buttons. Because they’re diva devs.
False
This is supported in AOSP now.
This doesn’t seem like a mature thing to say just because you want to flip buttons and are annoyed that the privacy and security-focused project didn’t add a feature to flip buttons.
No it isn’t. GrapheneOS is directly based on AOSP, so it includes everything AOSP does. GOS devs have made it clear they want you to use gestures, and they only include the navbar at all because it’s still in AOSP.
Inverted navbar is in wide a range of other AOSP custom ROMs (including LineageOS, which could be confused with pure AOSP), because those developers chose to incorporate it. But it isn’t in AOSP by default.
It’s an accurate take on their general attitude to polite requests on their github. And the reason the requests are so excessively polite is because people are treading on eggshells due to their diva reputation - albeit, this reputation is somewhat drowned out by their fandom.
It’s also not mature to downvote people just because you disagree with them.
And furthermore, the reason I use the navbar is because I want a force close long-press gesture on the back button, so I can more easily close apps and stop their background processes. To me, that’s a fairly important feature for privacy and security. That’s also likely a big reason Google pushed away from that, and to see GOS devs align themselves with Google in such a manner raises my eyebrow against them, at the very least.
Is it not open source?
It’s open source, but the license agreement prohibits using it in other projects. You can do it for your own personal builds, but not any published builds.
That’s very false. There are other OSes with GrapheneOS code or forks of GrapheneOS.
Elements of it, perhaps, but things like the sandboxing are explicitly prohibited in other Android ROMs. Otherwise almost all custom ROMs would be using it, or some flavour of it.
And this terminology kind of tells me you don’t really know the custom ROM scene.
so, literally not open source by the OSI’s definition, great
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