No one would care if AI replaced them at some menial soul-sucking job. If they could live and pursue their passions instead they would all be glad to.

If the cost was still the destruction of the environment and the genocide of foreign children, we’d have nowhere left to follow our passions in (worse if they are environment-related arts) nor people to teach or pass it down to.

AI is not just about the implementation. There’s entire ethics behind it. As a technology, its entire purpose, its only purpose, is to replace humans, and it has to be understood in that capacity.

Dear god the condescending tone. The passive-aggressive edit to the statement so that it still says the Nazi was “doxxed”. The inability neither apologize nor correct their bad behaviour (the original reporter is IIRC still banned). The between-the-lines insistence on “please be kind (to centrists and nazis)”. The insistence that making decisions on AI usage does not involve ethics.

Reminds me of the times when Fedora was exclusionary and racist to South Americans (dunno if they still are, lost them long ago).

KDE went to the trash like, woosh. This fast.

neocities

This now should have TWO upvotes from me!

(come on lemmy devs get to it)

Not necessarily. No one says you can’t just use the latest commit to the Linux kernel (or any other software) before it became slopified.

Do you really not understand concepts such as “necessary but not sufficient”? Just because I don’t like strawberry juice doesn’t mean I have to dislike all strawberries (or all juices).

Or are you trying to sell AIs for someone else?

Come on, be honest.

Not really. What, you expect me to be mad at the wheelbarrow?

Geez, the low meda literacy and the silly arguments of absurdum from the people who try everything to sell a cage for which they don’t have the keys is unprecedented.

It sounds like you are mad at our economic and societal structures, but taking your anger out on the tools.

I can be mad at both the exploitative structures and at the toolkits that enable, further and synthetize them. They don’t need to be mutually exclusive, and in general it’s not useful that they are.

Oh look it’s the same accelerationist argument as usual, that just because you loathe one technology you must throw away all of them.

Try at least high-school grade of discussion.

You need to divorce your thinking

I already did, but you refuse to read it. I explicitly said this is about how A (or what people call “AI”, because it certainly has not existed for “around for 50 years now”) exist in this world how we have created it. Via theft, exploitation and destruction, and oriented to the fulfillment of the elites and the oppression of the worker class.

Absolutism is toxic, yes. Moderated realism upon a flagrant observation of reality as conducted, is not.

It’s not like the Debian policy teams have the power do that to remote dev teams anyway tho. At best they can discard an upstream done with AI.

Please, try at least some modicum of intellectual discourse. Electricity is quite a physical phenomenon of nature, like rain, we can not impart moral judgment on them.

All that said, there are ways to use electricity without “exploitative resource extraction”, for example with a potato.

What were they supposed to d do? Disconnect with upstream?

Use non-slopified alternatives. There are lists such as Open Slopware that document where to get alternatives.

Or just fork the last non-slopified version and work from there. For already-mature software, should not make that much difference in the short term for a distro that seeks out stable long-term behaviour (things would be vastly different if this was Arch).

There is no way (in this world that we have created) to use AI “responsibly”. No matter what you choose, you are building on the base of wage theft, human suffering, environmental destruction and empowerment of the oligarchies.

AI is not “like any other technology”. That’s techbro acceleracionist slopaganda.

algorithms and processes are not copyrightable. Code is an expression of algorithms, and thus is copyrightable. If anything, that’s the stance that the entire movements of Free Software and Open Source are going with to function, so this sounds not a good idea even if it is a good ideal.

We are on Lemmy, do we want any company to “succeed”?

It has never been a “legal headache”, more of a bit of additional work for distro maintainers (to keep codecs separate from the rest of the distro) and a tiny inconvenience for users (they had to click an additional button after installing the distro).

Was that ever? Whenever someone whined about codecs back in the day, I would just install mpv or vlc (which were and are in most official distro repos I know of) and call it a day.

As was said: they are not discussing ideas with Claude. Claude can not discuss ideas. This is vibecoding and trying to gaslight us on it under “b-b-but it’s a thinking machine, bro! We are at the singularity!”

As I said in the also-shared:

So yes, I use Claude quite a bit while developing xfwl4. I don’t vibe-code

Those two sentences are mutually exclusive.

I’m sad to hear that I might have to drop XFCE. Or, at least, stay in the X11 version of it.

Back in the time when I disliked it and, to a lesser extent, AppArmor, the reason was pretty simple:

It forces services to lie to me / It gets in the way of software doing what I tell it to do.

The examples would be rather simple. Need to spin up a second instance of a database server, sure, just set up the given config file with datadir=/mount/point/second/disk/var/lib/database. Should work… Nope. Database errors out despite the directory existing and being writable and all permissions being right. Insists it’s “file permissions”. Try to look around, to no end. Then it turns out there is some secret NSA Cabal infiltrated in my server already that… for some weird reason, forces databases to be installed on /var/lib even though when that is almost full and I mounted a second disk to have more room. And thus the service lies to me, says file permissions, well I checked them several times and they were alright.

Stupid NSA cabal thing stupidly getting in the way of configuring things and adding more entrypoints you have to edit and services you have to configure just to start up a program. I want to start a database, not set up a DEFCON 1 line! Those days I was beginning to miss SQLite already…

Similar issues I had with webservers, network share servers, joysticks and gamepads, and even audio devices. Never got a clear idea of what it was, software says something like “permission error” or “not a device file” but I checked and those are alright. A long sigh, remember than when you install a new computer you have to disable SELinux and AppArmor and reboot, boom, done, everything magically works.

Fortunately things have improved a long way since, but back in the day, they were one of the most grating obstacles to me for getting friends, let alone clients, to adopt Linux.

If I ever received a vuln report from an AI, or other such glorified spreadsheet, I would promptly dismiss it then wait for a human to organically discover it on its own to consider that as proof of actual existence.